Monday, October 10, 2016

field theory - mathbfQ[sqrt5+sqrt[3]2]=mathbfQ[sqrt5,sqrt[3]2]?



Is there a general or elegant way to approach this problem? One can show that 5+32 is a root of the hexic x66x410x3+12x260x+17, which should then be its minimal polynomial to get the result. I see no straightforward way to show this is irreducible, though. It has a root in F4, and to show it's irreducible over F3 already seems to require a lot of grunt work.




One thing I can do is rule out the possibility that [Q[5+32]:Q]=2, because [Q(5,32):Q]=6 and Q(5,32) is the compositum of Q[5+32] and Q[5], where the latter has degree two. But I don't seem to be able to play an analogous trick to rule out 3, because I know of no general lower bound on the degree of a compositum.



Could there be some way to bring Galois theory into the picture? These extension aren't Galois, and so it's by no means clear to me how to reason from their normal closures, but perhaps that's the direction to go in. Suggestions are very much appreciated.


Answer



Here is an approach using a bit of Galois theory.



Let KL a Galois extension and subfields KK1,K2L. We have K1K2 if and only if the following hold: whenever g is in the Galois group of L/K such that g fixes any element of K1, g also fixes any element of K2 ( therefore K1K2 if and only if Gal(L/K1)Gal(L/K2)).



Consider the same extension KL and α1, α2 in L. From the above we conclude: K(α1)K(α2) if and only if: for every g in Gal(L/K) that fixes α1, g also fixes α2.




Consider again KL and u, v, w elements in L. Let R(u,v,w,) a rational expression in u, v, w . Say we want to show that K(R(u,v,w,)) contains u. Let u1=u, u2 in L the conjugates of u,   v1=v,v2, the conjugates of v,   w1=w, w2 ... of w. ( in fact it's enough to assume that u1=u, u2, roots in L of a polynomial with coefficients in K and same for (vj), (wk) )



Assume that
R(u,v,w,)R(ui,vj,wk,)


if i1. Then
K(R(u,v,w,))u



Indeed, let g in Gal(L/K). We have gu=ui, gv=vj, gw=wk, for some indexes i, j, k, since gu is a conjugate of u, gv is a conjugate of v and so on. Therefore we have
g(R(u,v,w,))=R(ui,vj,wk,)




Assume that g(R(u,v,w,))=R(u,v,w,). Therefore we have
R(ui,vj,wk,)=R(u,v,w,). From the condition above we conclude that i=1 and therefore gu=u1=u.



We have showed that g(R(u,v,w,))=R(u,v,w,) implies gu=u. Therefore K(R(u,v,w,))u.



Application: Let a1, a2 a3, rational numbers >0,  e1, e2, natural numbers >0. Then we have



Q(esas)=Q(e1a1,e2a2,)



Indeed, esas>Real part(sum of any other set of conjugates) and so no other set of conjugates has the sum equal to esas and so
Q(esas)Q(es0as0)


for all s0.



Similarly we can also prove:
Q(325)=Q(32,5)



Obs: the nonequality of certain expression involving algebraic numbers can be checked in C using "real methods" ( inequalities ).



Example: if 325=ζj132(1)k5 then
ζj1 must be real and so j=1.


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