Friday, October 28, 2016

elementary number theory - Find conditions on positive integers so that sqrta+sqrtb+sqrtc is irrational




Find conditions on positive integers
a,b,c
so that a+b+c is irrational.





My solution:
if ab is not the square of an integer,
then the expression is irrational.
I find it interesting
that c does not come into this
at all.



My solution is modeled
(i.e., copied with modifications)
from dexter04's solution

to Prove that 3+5+7 is irrational
.



Suppose a+b+c=r
where r is rational.
Then,
(a+b)2=(rc)2a+b+2ab=c+r22rc.




So, a+bcr2+2ab=2rc.
Let a+bcr2=k,
which will be a rational number.
So,
(k+2ab)2=k2+4ab+4kab=4cr2
or
4kab=4cr2k24ab.



If ab is not a square

of an integer,
then the LHS is irrational
while the RHS is rational.
Hence, we have a contradiction.


Answer



For a+b+c to be rational, ab being a perfect square is only a necessary condition, but it is not sufficient (your proof is correct, only the conclusion that it is sufficient is wrong). The sufficient and necessary condition is a,b,c are all perfect squares (easy to see that it is sufficient and I'm going to prove it is necessary).



Symmetry lets us conclude ab=A2,bc=B2,ca=C2.



Let (a,b)=d. Then a=da1,b=db1 and since d2a1b1=A2, we have a=da22,b=db22.




bc=B2db22c=B2dc=b23



Let (c,d)=D. Then c=Dc,d=Dd. (1)c=Dc21,d=Dd21.



So (a,b,c)=(D(d1a2)2,D(d1b2)2,Dc21)



a+b+c=D(|d1a2|+|d1b2|+|c1|)QDQDZD=D2



I used the fact that a,aZ is either an integer or irrational. If it is rational but not an integer, then a=ab,aba=a2b2.
Contradiction, since LHS is an integer and RHS is not (aba2b2).




(a,b,c)=((Dd1a2)2,(Dd1b2)2,(Dc1)2)   


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